OH I forgot to announce my big breakthrough. It's not rocket science or anything, but I've finally figured out how to create very basic custom macros in Autocad. This will allow me to make my own buttons and toolbars and hopefully willl really help productivity here at the eng. co. I know this doesn't mean anything to most of you, it's all gibberish, but it's a really big deal to me because JK has been asking me to figure it out for 3 years.